IS THERE AN ALIEN/HUMAN WAR DEBATE?

Occasionally I find myself in extremely odd circumstances due to the nature of my interests.  Last summer I found myself in the middle of an argument between one of the real time abductees I wrote about  during the past two years  and one of her longtime friends who is an avid UFO enthusiast. 

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The exchange between the abductee and the enthusiast took place while we were out to lunch at a crowded beach front restaurant on the ocean side of Long Island New York. 

Most of the  luncheon  had been a peaceful afternoon enjoying a delicious meal overlooking a sandy beach and clear blue sky. The conversation had been of vacation plans, family as well as a long talk about the Long Island serial killer who even now  remains loose and wandering our Island roadways. 

At the end of our lunch I excused myself from the table for a few minutes to call my home and walked out to the open veranda that wrapped around the restaurant to use my cell phone. I was only gone a few minutes. When I returned to the table I was surprised to find the two friends in a heated debate concerning war between aliens and humans. 

Since I was not there when the discussion began I had no idea how the subject got started. I sat down and listened as the abductee and enthusiast had one of the strangest conversations I ever heard two friends have.

The enthusiast was angry and telling the abductee that the day will come when aliens will attack the human race to use us for fuel, or food, or slaves. The enthusiast was a bit all over the place with the reasons for the alien attack however she seemed sure it was only time before this event happened with the outcome being our doom.

The abductee sat there stone faced listening to her friend with such intensity I thought steam was going to rise from her head. I sat silently trying to figure out how to get out of this mess! In the mean time I tried to disappear in to my chair.

The enthusiast went on to describe a war of the world’s resulting in combat around the globe between aliens and humans. Occasionally the abductee would mutter, “that is ridiculous’ however her friend continued on with her long passionate description of a very movie like world war of aliens flying low above the earth’s surface while humans try to defend against them with the weapons we currently have. The abductee allowed her friend to continue this huge involved story of her idea of an alien / human war without interruption. Now and then she would laugh or shake her head but let her friend continue her passionate description of an alien human conflict.

I have either read or heard all the things the enthusiast was saying before and knew this theory was widely discussed with those interested in the UFO alien subject. I also know the abductee and wanted to dissolve in to my chair as I knew she was going to blast her friend and her ideas concerning her interpretation of a war of the worlds.

The enthusiast talked endlessly about how mankind may soon find they are going to be forced to fight invading alien forces in a fight for world control.

 She talked about how mankind will wage a good  fight against our invaders using  our newest weapons during long tedious battles with alien forces who want to overtake and use the human species for food or fuel or slaves.

 She talked about how only the humans who will be able to  go underground will remain to fight off the invading aliens. She went on to describe how the fight will end by way of the humans fighting the aliens in gorilla style tactics including sneaking up on alien crafts using balloons to lift them into their interiors of their crafts  where the human warriors will be able to overtake and destroy the alien forces. 

The UFO enthusiast talked as if in a hypnotic state how a small group of the human warriors would in this manner defeat the aliens and return to build a new human race upon the earth.  This is the point where the abductee could no longer maintain her reaction and burst out laughing at her enthusiast friend’s fantasy scenario of an alien/human conflict of war. 

The abductee shook her head in amazement and asked her friend if she was serious or pulling her leg with such nonsense? Her friend immediately became insulted and defensive.  The abductee sat looking at her friend as if she was the strangest thing she had ever seen and finally said:

“OK- I cannot let you walk around thinking something so ridiculous as it seems to have gotten out of hand and you seem to be lost in the fantasy and confusion  of this subject that seems to be prevalent in our society. “ The abductee took a long look at her friend and continued:

“First of all you need to understand that sadly in our society things we consider paranormal, or supernatural or unknown are simply things mankind has not yet figured out or understand. A huge problem with the subjects we consider unknowns is that we have completely combined confused and destroyed our own thinking about these subjects with fiction and fantasy that is shoveled on top of us daily.

Science fiction is not paranormal, horror movies about sexy vampires become confused with reality while reality is lost to the fantasy of Hollywood. 

Star Wars was a great movie however reality is -that it is doubtful- all life forms in our universe would be able to sit together in a bar sharing a drink  simply due to the simple fact of atmosphere differences .Humans have built a cute little comfy world where they live in fantasy about many unknowns. I realize it is one way to deal with that which we do not understand however I also think it is just going too far. Here I sit listening to you rattle off pure fantasy as fact and you’re doing it with a straight face.”

The enthusiast was not happy and started to interrupt her abductee friend to defend her position on alien- human warfare. The abductee would not have it and told her friend to sit and listen as she had to her long rant on the war of the worlds. The abductee continued:

“The view you have of this conflict is absolutely childish. Do you truly believe that beings that are advanced enough to visit us in the manner they do with ease and obvious control over the situation would have to physically fight with us?  Do you really think that if they wanted to take, use or have anything at all more than they do now from us they would need  to fight us for it? Do you seriously think the advanced beings that visit us would need to become involved with us in any type of war event? If they want more they will take it, if they want to control this world completely they will dot it and if they want to kill you - you would be dead in seconds! “

The abductee was obviously annoyed with her longtime friend and her UFO enthusiast friend was showing signs of anger with the abductee’s questions. The enthusiast tried to defend her thinking by launching into a memorized scenario once again about mankind in hand to hand combat with invading alien forces. The abductee raised her hand abruptly stopping her enthusiast friend from continuing her rant.  The abductee spoke:

“Stop, this nonsense- I had no idea you became so confused between what is logical and probable and what is fantasy. You are lost in the delusion of fiction that has been developed through fear of those who are in need of that kind of fantasy in order to digest the UFO situation on earth. You have given over to science fiction as fact and have started to believe the nonsense that flows from Hollywood the bloggers and ridiculous TV shows. “ The abductee continued talking now with a bit of anger rising in her tone.

“Look chances are if the beings who visit this planet and abduct humans for specimen study wanted to control or inhabit this earth they would have done it long ago. If the beings who are here wanted more from us they would have taken it when we were even more defenseless than we are now. If those watching us wanted to help us they would have done that as well .If their purpose was our welfare they would have openly interfered, helped, taken us over or whatever theory exists concerning these things- long ago. They are here for their own agendas and we simply are not as important to them as we think we are. 

The great human delusion is that this planet and the primitive earthlings living on it is somehow of great importance to the other life forms that exist and view or visit us as they traverse this enormous universe.

First of all there are billions of planets around billions of stars in billions of galaxies. Our little planet may be important to us but it is doubtful it is of any great importance to our cosmic neighbors.  Mankind has placed a huge amount of importance on the alien human relationship. Mankind seems to think we are sort after and of huge concern to our visitors. I am confused at this thinking as we have obviously been shown that is not the case.”

The UFO enthusiast sat silently and obviously annoyed while the abductee continued her case against her friends ridiculous thinking.:

“Our visitors do not care to be known to us on a global scale. If that was their wish we would know it. All they would need to do is make a worldwide sighting visible over highly populated areas to be known to become fully disclosed to mankind. Instead they do not seem to care if they are at times seen or not.  They do not seem to care what we think.

Part II of this article continues tomorrow: Sunday, December 8, 2013. http://ufodigest.com/article/alien-human-war-1208

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THE 1973 DIONISIO LIANCA ABDUCTION REVISITED - PART II

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When he woke up shortly after 03:00, he was in the premises of the Sociedad Rural, lying beside some railcars, 10 kilometers away from where his truck was parked. The vehicle was collected by police officers a few hours later.

Dionisio says he got up as best he could and walked along the road, unable to remember his name or the reason that had taken him to that place, until he obtained help from a man – whose identity remains unknown – who led him to the police station.

When he was about to testify, he was barely able to speak. It was perhaps for this reason that the policeman on duty thought he was drunk, and to avoid wasting time in transacting his arrest, set him free instead.

Dionisio Llanca

The man who helped him put him back in his car and drove him to the Municipal Hospital. 24 hours went by before he was able to retell the events. The case became widely known thanks to journalists from two Buenos Aires newspapers who were correspondents in our city at the time.

But the story did not end there. As the strange event circulated through the country’s printed media, renowned researcher Fabio Zerpa arrived on the scene, along with reporters from such magazines as “Gente” and correspondents from ufological publications seeking to interview the abductee.

“In 1976, tired of being injected with sodium pentothal – the so-called truth serum – and the problems that remembering the event was causing me, I decided not to appear again,” he says.

His rush to obscurity took him places he never imagined. During the next stage, he spent two and a half years interned in hospitals in Mendoza, Buenos Aires and Rawson. “I was shedding skin all over my body, and my eyes became so red at times I thought I might be going blind. The doctors told me I showed signs of radiation exposure, although worst of all is that I would see the light from the UFO every so often,” he says.

Even today, whenever he washes his hands, he notes that a small puncture they made when they injected him for a second time is still visible. This happened on the craft, while a sort of loudspeaker spoke to him in Spanish, assuring him that no harm would befall him.

He also claims to have a mark on his left eyelid, which becomes more visible when he washes his face and sees himself in the mirror. This was done with a glove that had something like thumb tacks on its surface. “These are details I remembered through hypnotic regression sessions to which I was subjected shortly after the event,” he adds. These sessions were conducted by doctors and psychologists of our own city, and with the participation of Fabio Zerpa.

During these sessions, Llanca said he ascended into the craft on a beam of light. [The object] had only one window, many levers, several monitors and a radio, which aside from speaking in our language, repeated that they were friendly to humans and had come from a secret location. Before releasing him, they promised that they would find him again someday.

He also described a detail that was employed to lend credibility to Zerpa’s research. While he was aboard the UFO, two hoses were deployed from the object: one of them made contact with a puddle and the other with a high-voltage line. Coincidentally or not, the city experienced a major power loss that was felt in various neighborhoods.

Other researchers insisted that the power loss indeed occurred, but was due to a transformer malfunction in [the community of] Ingeniero White. Furthermore, they dismissed the case as one of the greatest hoaxes in history, described Llanca as an unreliable witness, and mentioned that other footprints were found next to the truck. Their conclusion: the man was lying.

“Many things happened over all these years. If I told you about them I’d never end. The fact is that I still find that event disconcerting. In fact, what happened to me during the 25-minute period I remained aboard the craft remains pending, but I was unwilling to participate in any further experiments,” he remarks.

“Well, buddy…” he says, giving to understand that he does not wish to keep talking. Before hanging up, he repeated that in spite of having turned 65 years old, he has still found no meaning or reason for what happened to him, and that it keeps him awake at night.

Top photo description: Drawing of the incident from the APRO files.

[Translation © 2013 S. Corrales, IHU with thanks to Guillermo Gimenez, Planeta UFO]

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THE 1973 DIONISIO LIANCA ABDUCTION REVISITED

His story, or at least the part that occurred in the early hours of 28 October of that year, when he claimed having gone into a vessel crewed by three beings from another planet, is known all over the world. There are translations of it into English, Portuguese and French, among other languages, and there are even photos showing him at the time, when he was only 25 years old.

However, most websites dealing with UFOs have an incorrect piece of information: they state that Dionisio died in 1986, when in fact the alleged abductee lives on, trying to keep anyone from learning about his past by living in a southern [Argentinean] city, working for the past 4 years as a service station attendant.

His chosen life in obscurity hampered repeated efforts by “La Nueva Provincia” in contacting him. In fact, many of his relatives didn’t know his whereabouts, or if he was indeed dead. Other relatives mentioned that following the 1973 episode, the man became a sort of nomad.

The fact is that he was barely in touch with one of his siblings over the phone. He scanned his cellphone for a call he’d received from Dionisio some months ago, and after consultations with Dionisio himself, played a role in making contact a possibility.

[Dionisio’s] boss is the only person in his current environment who knows the story, because he has kept it from his friends, co-workers and neighbors.

“Some time ago his daughter read about my case over the Internet and asked me about it. I had to tell them everything, getting them to promise that they wouldn’t tell anyone, because the truth is that I don’t like to remember,” he admits.

What Dionisio doesn’t like to remember is that while changing a flat tire on his truck around 1:30 in the morning that Saturday, on the shoulders of Kilometer 705 of Route 3, two men and a woman, dressed in tight-fitting grey outfits and yellow boots and gloves, appeared out of nowhere beside him.

Their craft was suspended some 7 meters in the air, over some trees that have also survived the test of time. He described it as measuring some 4 meters in diameter, and as silent as the night in the countryside. Before this, he had only noticed a yellow light approaching along the highway.

According to his story, he was paralyzed at that moment, although not by fear – an unknown force kept him from moving at all. He was able to hear the beings talking among themselves in an unfamiliar language until one of them lifted him by the neck while the other pinched his one of his fingers. The last thing he saw was two drops of blood sliding from his index finger to the ground, and the woman’s fixed gaze. He later became unconscious.

Article continues tomorrow: Friday, December 13 2013! http://ufodigest.com/article/dionisio-lianca-1213

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UFO Sighting in Warrington, England on December 14th 2013 - red blinking lights, looked like the back of a sleigh. followed it for 2 miles in van.kind of triangular

UFO Sighting in Hamilton, Ontario on December 7th 2013 - Numerous orbs in sky got my attention then I lost about 11 mins of time

Walking home from my shift at work when a tingly sensation came over me. I looked up and saw numerous balls or orb like lights in the sky. I then felt sick and faint but kept focus on them. I tried to move but could not. There approx 10 orbs hovering above then slightly away from me, before the moved off quietly to the SE. I have seen many orbs or spheres out over the lake over the years, but most of these were not UFOs but were lanterns. I take medication for OCD and thought this may be making me see things as my mind gets full of silly ideas and thoughts. But this was real and I think it was aliens trying to communicate with me as I seem to have missed about eleven mins of time. I think there is an alien base under the lake and I have swam in it many times looking for it. But the aliens won't come and see me yet.

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UFO Sighting in Crystal River, Florida on December 13th 2013 - Fast, low flying bright light.

My friend and I were standing in his backyard, and I caught a glimpse of a bright light with a weird tint to it, kind of a yellowish green tint. I want to say it was star-like, it was NOT a shooting star. My friend saw it at the last second but I had at least a solid 3 second visual on it. I waited for it to come out the other side of the cloud it flew into and it never came out the other side. The weather conditions that night would not be good for flying so it was kind of odd to see anything in the sky. I have never had a ufo encounter before, nor had I been a believer.

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UFO Sighting in Stillwater, Oklahoma on August 21st 2010 - Multicolored Orb Sighted While Night Flying

The event started while on a return leg from KTUL to KSWO. I was in a Cessna 150 at approximately 3,000ft MSL HDG 270T. Approximate local time was 2000 at the start of the sighting. Visibility was significantly greater than 10 Statute Miles. Temperature was approximately 85F and wind was around 3KTS On my return leg back to KSWO from KTUL at Approximately 2000, I was following Highway 51 about 20nm to the East of KSWO when I noticed a very bright light BRG045. Approximate location of my aircraft at time of sighting was N36 06.78 W096 44.52. Approximate location of object at time of sighting was N36 24.66 W096 58.62. I initially noticed the object during my routine scan outside the aircraft for aircraft operating in the local area. KSWO was my home airport, and is also the location of a University flight school. The light's appearance was a brilliant white, like a large aircraft's landing light. My initial reaction was that it must be either a planet, or more likely a large aircraft in the pattern at KSWO. As the sighting progressed, I began to dismiss the previous objects as it was too far below the horizon to be an astronomical object, and lacked recognition lighting that is common to all general aviation and commercial aircraft. During the initial part of the sighting, the object exhibited CBDR or Constant Bearing, Decreasing Range; it was heading towards my aircraft. This lasted for 15 minutes. Estimated airspeed of the object at this point estimated to be less than 50KTS. As I begin to descend into KSWO at 2015, I started talking with another pilot in the vicinity of the airfield operating a powered parachute. At this point my attention went from the unidentified light, to descent and pre-landing checklists and I lost sight of the object. Upon landing at the airfield at 2025, I notified the operator of the powered parachute that I would be interested in coming to look at his aircraft after I had secured mine for the evening. He accepted my offer, and I parked my aircraft and secured it for the evening. At 2115 I drove to a nearby hanger on field at KSWO to meet the operator of the powered parachute. When I arrived, he along with a friend and his son were on site. They were looking at an object through a pair of binoculars that was now directly south of our position. The 3 individuals explained that they had witnessed the object transit from above Ponca City, OK....pass Stillwater, OK (KSWO)....and was not observing the object (along with myself) in the vicinity of Oklahoma City, OK. Witnesses described the object as I had in my description earlier, and that it produced no audible noise. At 2120, I obtained the binoculars and looked at and re-acquired what I assess was the same object that I had sighted earlier. Approximate location of the object was now N35 40.08 W097 21.96 which was directly south and slightly west of my position which was still KSWO. While looking through the binoculars I could determine the object was spherical in nature and estimated its size to be about 30ft in diameter. With the naked eye from my viewing location, it appeared to be about half the size of an aspirin held at arm's length. Through the binoculars I could clearly see the object "morph" through a color pattern. This patter was similar to the lighting that you can commonly find in limousines and other entertainment events. I would describe it as "party lighting". The sphere emitted an aura of light in a cyclical manner that was predominantly Red/Orange and Green/Blue. I observed the object in this location for approximately 20 minutes until approximately 2140. During this period of observation, the object remained stationary. At approximately 2140, the object slowly "winked out" and became invisible to the naked eye as well as through binoculars. I feel that I was very calm and objective through the entire encounter. I am an expert in identifying aircraft of all types under all conditions. I was and still am unable to identify the craft/object that I witnessed. Although I feel that this aircraft could be attributed to a terrestrial craft/event, I feel that this is unlikely after my observations. I am attaching a Powerpoint/PDF document illustrating my encounter. Additionally, I am attaching a photo I found on the internet which most closely depicts the object that I observed.

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